[N8VEM-S100:7327] Re: Possible updates to the N8VEM SBC V2 BOM

[Richard Cini]

Interesting idea. I wonder (out loud) if changing all bypass caps to
something like 2012 or larger and mounting them on the back would free up
additional top-side space in the denser boards?

I remember long ago that some people used IC sockets with a bypass cap
mounted in the center of the socket. I think they still make them, but they
probably cost more than the sum of a regular socket and cap.

For parts ordering, I usually use Digi-Key or Jameco; sometimes Mouser but
only if the others don¹t have it. I also buy odder parts from ³acpsurplus²
or ³huskerfan40214² on eBay. I usually buy ahead and in bulk for projects to
I try to take advantage of volume discounts. The downside is that I have a
large box of tubes of chips. When a new project comes up, I ³go to the parts
cage² and pull parts, then do a fill-in order if needed. If I¹m running low,
I¹ll order in quantity and stock it. For the most part, I¹m only doing
refill orders at this point ‹ it¹s rare that I don¹t have a part in-stock. I
keep an Excel spreadsheet of my inventory so I know where I am with stuff.

Rich

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Collector of Classic Computers
Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator
http://www.classiccmp.org/cini
http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32

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Date: Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 8:10 AM
To: S100-Post <n8vem-***@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:7326] Re: [N8VEM: 19750] Re: Possible updates to
the N8VEM SBC V2 BOM

SMT bypass caps -- a very novel idea ... at least for me. Need to try it!
What (physical) size?

...
I often use surface mounted .1uf/50v capacitor to replace the axial wire lead
capacitors used on most of our projects. I mount them on the back of the
boards. Their cheaper and easy to find, and for me they take less time to
install.
Getting use to substitution of parts is just part of the hobby!
Tom Lafleur
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I have nevvvver had a problem with Mouser. Their web site clearly shows their
inventory. If you order something that is not in stock it shows as backordered
before you complete the order.
As far as delivery speed, that depends on how far you live from the Dallas
area. I have placed orders at 7 PM and get them the next day. That is 95
percent of the time. I am a 5 hour ride up I-30. For me Digikey takes 5 days.
Aug in Arkansas

[Tom Lafleur]

I use1206 parts, they fit fine over the .2in spacing used on our boards

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On Jun 28, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Richard Cini <***@verizon.net> wrote:

Interesting idea. I wonder (out loud) if changing all bypass caps to something like 2012 or larger and mounting them on the back would free up additional top-side space in the denser boards?

I remember long ago that some people used IC sockets with a bypass cap mounted in the center of the socket. I think they still make them, but they probably cost more than the sum of a regular socket and cap.

For parts ordering, I usually use Digi-Key or Jameco; sometimes Mouser but only if the others don’t have it. I also buy odder parts from “acpsurplus” or “huskerfan40214” on eBay. I usually buy ahead and in bulk for projects to I try to take advantage of volume discounts. The downside is that I have a large box of tubes of chips. When a new project comes up, I “go to the parts cage” and pull parts, then do a fill-in order if needed. If I’m running low, I’ll order in quantity and stock it. For the most part, I’m only doing refill orders at this point — it’s rare that I don’t have a part in-stock. I keep an Excel spreadsheet of my inventory so I know where I am with stuff.

Rich

--
Rich Cini
Collector of Classic Computers
Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator
http://www.classiccmp.org/cini
http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32

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Date: Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 8:10 AM
To: S100-Post <n8vem-***@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:7326] Re: [N8VEM: 19750] Re: Possible updates to the N8VEM SBC V2 BOM

SMT bypass caps -- a very novel idea ... at least for me. Need to try it! What (physical) size?

...
I often use surface mounted .1uf/50v capacitor to replace the axial wire lead capacitors used on most of our projects. I mount them on the back of the boards. Their cheaper and easy to find, and for me they take less time to install.
Getting use to substitution of parts is just part of the hobby!
Tom Lafleur
~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~
I have nevvvver had a problem with Mouser. Their web site clearly shows their inventory. If you order something that is not in stock it shows as backordered before you complete the order.
As far as delivery speed, that depends on how far you live from the Dallas area. I have placed orders at 7 PM and get them the next day. That is 95 percent of the time. I am a 5 hour ride up I-30. For me Digikey takes 5 days.
Aug in Arkansas

[Tom Lafleur]

example:

C1206C104K3RACTU
<http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Kemet/C1206C104K3RACTU/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsh%252b1woXyUXj0S0dkQU4uBJu638CmZJzYM%3d>
Kemet $0.017 at 1000 parts ($17.00) , last time I got 1000 parts for $0.009

These are 1206 parts X7R .1uf 50v 10%, they do fit over the pads common on
our boards.. Not perfect, but good enough! Maybe we should modified the
pads to make it fit both parts on future boards?

0805 and smaller parts are a bit cheaper, larger that 1206 cost a bit more
as the industry has move away from these larger parts.

common in cell phone today is 0201 to 01005 parts!!!

Post by Tom Lafleur
I use1206 parts, they fit fine over the .2in spacing used on our boards
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Interesting idea. I wonder (out loud) if changing all bypass caps to
something like 2012 or larger and mounting them on the back would free up
additional top-side space in the denser boards?
I remember long ago that some people used IC sockets with a bypass cap
mounted in the center of the socket. I think they still make them, but they
probably cost more than the sum of a regular socket and cap.
For parts ordering, I usually use Digi-Key or Jameco; sometimes Mouser but
only if the others don’t have it. I also buy odder parts from “acpsurplus”
or “huskerfan40214” on eBay. I usually buy ahead and in bulk for projects
to I try to take advantage of volume discounts. The downside is that I have
a large box of tubes of chips. When a new project comes up, I “go to the
parts cage” and pull parts, then do a fill-in order if needed. If I’m
running low, I’ll order in quantity and stock it. For the most part, I’m
only doing refill orders at this point — it’s rare that I don’t have a part
in-stock. I keep an Excel spreadsheet of my inventory so I know where I am
with stuff.
Rich
--
Rich Cini
Collector of Classic Computers
Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator
http://www.classiccmp.org/cini
http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32
Date: Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:7326] Re: [N8VEM: 19750] Re: Possible updates to
the N8VEM SBC V2 BOM
SMT bypass caps -- a very novel idea ... at least for me. Need to try
it! What (physical) size?

...
I often use surface mounted .1uf/50v capacitor to replace the axial wire
lead capacitors used on most of our projects. I mount them on the back of
the boards. Their cheaper and easy to find, and for me they take less time
to install.
Getting use to substitution of parts is just part of the hobby!
Tom Lafleur
~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~
I have nevvvver had a problem with Mouser. Their web site clearly shows
their inventory. If you order something that is not in stock it shows as
backordered before you complete the order.
As far as delivery speed, that depends on how far you live from the
Dallas area. I have placed orders at 7 PM and get them the next day. That
is 95 percent of the time. I am a 5 hour ride up I-30. For me Digikey
takes 5 days.
Aug in Arkansas
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[Paul Birkel]

Tom: Thanks for the tip :->. (Note that those are actually 25v-rated; the
50v-rated are a bit more.) Do the prices fluctuate much (that's just shy
of doubled!), or have you just not bought in a while?

Post by Tom Lafleur
C1206C104K3RACTU
<http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Kemet/C1206C104K3RACTU/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsh%252b1woXyUXj0S0dkQU4uBJu638CmZJzYM%3d>
Kemet $0.017 at 1000 parts ($17.00) , last time I got 1000 parts for $0.009
These are 1206 parts X7R .1uf 50v 10%, they do fit over the pads common on
our boards.. Not perfect, but good enough! Maybe we should modified the
pads to make it fit both parts on future boards?
0805 and smaller parts are a bit cheaper, larger that 1206 cost a bit more
as the industry has move away from these larger parts.
common in cell phone today is 0201 to 01005 parts!!!

Post by Tom Lafleur
I use1206 parts, they fit fine over the .2in spacing used on our boards
~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~
Interesting idea. I wonder (out loud) if changing all bypass caps to
something like 2012 or larger and mounting them on the back would free up
additional top-side space in the denser boards?
I remember long ago that some people used IC sockets with a bypass cap
mounted in the center of the socket. I think they still make them, but they
probably cost more than the sum of a regular socket and cap.
For parts ordering, I usually use Digi-Key or Jameco; sometimes Mouser
but only if the others don’t have it. I also buy odder parts from
“acpsurplus” or “huskerfan40214” on eBay. I usually buy ahead and in bulk
for projects to I try to take advantage of volume discounts. The downside
is that I have a large box of tubes of chips. When a new project comes up,
I “go to the parts cage” and pull parts, then do a fill-in order if needed.
If I’m running low, I’ll order in quantity and stock it. For the most part,
I’m only doing refill orders at this point — it’s rare that I don’t have a
part in-stock. I keep an Excel spreadsheet of my inventory so I know where
I am with stuff.
Rich
--
Rich Cini
Collector of Classic Computers
Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator
http://www.classiccmp.org/cini
http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32
Date: Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:7326] Re: [N8VEM: 19750] Re: Possible updates
to the N8VEM SBC V2 BOM
SMT bypass caps -- a very novel idea ... at least for me. Need to try
it! What (physical) size?

...
I often use surface mounted .1uf/50v capacitor to replace the axial wire
lead capacitors used on most of our projects. I mount them on the back of
the boards. Their cheaper and easy to find, and for me they take less time
to install.
Getting use to substitution of parts is just part of the hobby!
Tom Lafleur
~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~
I have nevvvver had a problem with Mouser. Their web site clearly shows
their inventory. If you order something that is not in stock it shows as
backordered before you complete the order.
As far as delivery speed, that depends on how far you live from the
Dallas area. I have placed orders at 7 PM and get them the next day. That
is 95 percent of the time. I am a 5 hour ride up I-30. For me Digikey
takes 5 days.
Aug in Arkansas
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[Tom Lafleur]

Parts cost change with vendors often. So -+ a few $ is acceptable

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On Jun 28, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Paul Birkel <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Tom: Thanks for the tip :->. (Note that those are actually 25v-rated; the 50v-rated are a bit more.) Do the prices fluctuate much (that's just shy of doubled!), or have you just not bought in a while?

C1206C104K3RACTU Kemet $0.017 at 1000 parts ($17.00) , last time I got 1000 parts for $0.009
These are 1206 parts X7R .1uf 50v 10%, they do fit over the pads common on our boards.. Not perfect, but good enough! Maybe we should modified the pads to make it fit both parts on future boards?
0805 and smaller parts are a bit cheaper, larger that 1206 cost a bit more as the industry has move away from these larger parts.
common in cell phone today is 0201 to 01005 parts!!!

Post by Tom Lafleur
I use1206 parts, they fit fine over the .2in spacing used on our boards
~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~
Interesting idea. I wonder (out loud) if changing all bypass caps to something like 2012 or larger and mounting them on the back would free up additional top-side space in the denser boards?
I remember long ago that some people used IC sockets with a bypass cap mounted in the center of the socket. I think they still make them, but they probably cost more than the sum of a regular socket and cap.
For parts ordering, I usually use Digi-Key or Jameco; sometimes Mouser but only if the others don’t have it. I also buy odder parts from “acpsurplus” or “huskerfan40214” on eBay. I usually buy ahead and in bulk for projects to I try to take advantage of volume discounts. The downside is that I have a large box of tubes of chips. When a new project comes up, I “go to the parts cage” and pull parts, then do a fill-in order if needed. If I’m running low, I’ll order in quantity and stock it. For the most part, I’m only doing refill orders at this point — it’s rare that I don’t have a part in-stock. I keep an Excel spreadsheet of my inventory so I know where I am with stuff.
Rich
--
Rich Cini
Collector of Classic Computers
Build Master and lead engineer, Altair32 Emulator
http://www.classiccmp.org/cini
http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32
Date: Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:7326] Re: [N8VEM: 19750] Re: Possible updates to the N8VEM SBC V2 BOM
SMT bypass caps -- a very novel idea ... at least for me. Need to try it! What (physical) size?

...
I often use surface mounted .1uf/50v capacitor to replace the axial wire lead capacitors used on most of our projects. I mount them on the back of the boards. Their cheaper and easy to find, and for me they take less time to install.
Getting use to substitution of parts is just part of the hobby!
Tom Lafleur
~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~~~ _/) ~~
I have nevvvver had a problem with Mouser. Their web site clearly shows their inventory. If you order something that is not in stock it shows as backordered before you complete the order.
As far as delivery speed, that depends on how far you live from the Dallas area. I have placed orders at 7 PM and get them the next day. That is 95 percent of the time. I am a 5 hour ride up I-30. For me Digikey takes 5 days.
Aug in Arkansas

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[ShawnR]

Including dual footprints would be fine for me.
I wouldn't mind using SMD parts. I have, long ago, taught myself how to
solder hand-solder all but the smallest couple of tiers.